Two and a half years after Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, Trump pinned the blame squarely on Zelensky and Biden for the conflict during an interview with podcaster Patrick Bet-David, which aired Thursday. “I think Zelensky is one of the greatest salesmen I’ve ever seen,” Trump said, grumbling about how much aid the US has given Ukraine.

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During a riff about the state of the US under the Harris-Biden administration, Trump decried the billions in aid that Washington has funneled to Kyiv and declared that Zelensky “should never have let that war start.” “I think Zelensky is one of the greatest salesmen I’ve seen,” the 78-year-old mused on the PDB Podcast with host Patrick Bet-David.